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The very latest report from Jenkins et al on the effectiveness of Badger Culling

Posted 22 July

This peer-reviewed paper - the latest follow-up to the ISG report - was posted 22nd July.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0009090

Here is an extract from their conclusions.

"Our findings have important implications for the development of cattle TB control policies throughout the British Isles. They show that, although widespread badger culling can achieve overall reductions in the incidence of cattle TB, these benefits are not sustained in the long term once culling is halted. Moreover, the financial costs of conducting the culling substantially exceed the overall benefits accrued. In the absence of other practicable culling methods likely to yield greater benefits, our findings indicate that, on the basis of cost-effectiveness, badger culling is unlikely to contribute to the control of cattle TB in Britain".

The scientific evidence really does not change very much, as time goes on.  Moreover, the Government has now cast doubts as to whether they will be willing to invest the huge sums necessary to intigate a cull, and farmers may be looking at funding it largely themselves.  So, since this report indicates that culling is extremely unlikely even to break even in terms of cost-effectiveness, the NFU may lose some of their enthusiasm for this course of action. 

Brian

 

 

 

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A new outbreak of Bovine TB - in Scotland

Save-Me sends condolences to the farmers so badly affected by the new outbreak of bovine TB in Scotland.

Scotland has, until now, been substantially free of the disease, so this is a shock in more ways than one.  This article in the Farmers Guardian gives more details.  

Sixty cattle slaughtered after bovine TB outbreak in Scotland
Farmers Guardian
SIXTY cattle from a fully closed dairy herd have been compulsory slaughtered following one of the worst outbreaks of bovine TB in Scotland for several years ...

It is very significant that in this case it's impossible to argue that badgers or other wild animals can be to blame for the outbreak, and from the point of view of those arguing, as we are, that the proposed British badger cull is tragically misguided, this provides concrete evidence that TB is still being spread in ways other than the much vaunted 'Wildlife Reservoir of Infection".  And that even if every badger in these islands were to be killed, cows would still be getting sick.  

This sentence at the end of the Farmers Guardian report says it all.  

 “The absence of repeated reinfections within single herds, or clusters of disease caused by the same strain of TB, are indicators that a wildlife reservoir is not driving infection.”

Mr David Cameron, Mr Peter Kendall, Ms Caroline Spelman, and Mr Jim Paice, please take note, and ask yourselves if you can still sleep peacefully in your beds.  Your 'pilot' cull of badgers must be shelved.  

Brian 

THE GRAND NATIONAL

Traditionally known as the 'Sport of Kings' the Grand National is now clearly an embarrassment to a nation that prides itself on fair treatment of animals.

This is another example of 'tradition' being used to justify behaviour which is no longer acceptable.  In this gruelling four and a half mile course, over the last 12 years, 20 horses have died on the day, and many more in the first week after the race.  

One might imagine that after the worldwide success of the play and film "War Horse", that it would now be apparent to everyone that these wonderful creatures have feelings and are worthy of respect.  But in this 'sport', horses are treated as a commodity.

Around 18,000 are bred into the ever-decreasing gene pool of the racing industry each year and evidence shows around 5000 are raced to death.  Just over 7000 make the grade; the rest are destroyed or cast aside, many ending up in degrading horse markets, on their way to being used as food.  During the actual races, the horses who have survived the system are openly beaten for human pleasure.  As soon as they stop being money-earners, they are discarded - many destroyed on the spot.  

Surely in 2012 this kind of treatment is utterly unacceptable.  The industry has become a cruel factory farm for human financial profit.  

It is time for Britain to stand up, set an example of decency to the world - and consign this barbaric sport to history.   

Brian May CBE. 

 

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posted 640 days ago Chris_Jardine:

I have a letter from Jim Paice MP Head of DEFRA which I shall be posting here soon and copying to Brian. Keep an eye out.

posted 656 days ago Linda Adams:

...I was delighted to meet Brian at one of the LA signings this week, and tell him Thank You for the Save Me work & Forum! Very nice tour and presentation... I was thrilled to go, even though I was so nervous the day-of that I nearly threw up. :) He and Elena are doing a TERRIFIC job and the book is absolutely gorgeous. Elena is also so gracious & wonderful. Back to animals to stay on-topic, let me just throw out a "GO TEAM!"

posted 656 days ago Dana Kubick:

@Heather G Thank you for your very thoughtful contribution. Yes, It is a strange irony that bulls meant for the bullring have the quality of life that other livestock often lack.You identified an important point precisely; "the ethos of bull raising is worth transferring to the lives of all livestock" It's something worth campaigning for. And all animals should have a decent death.

posted 657 days ago Christopher Ames:

As someone who has donated to the Judi Hewitt Fox Club Appeal (ok only £100 but better than nowt lol) it would be interesting to see how the appeal is going to date and if not being on FB has affected the rate of monies being collected. Great news about the suspension of culling the badger population and well done Catalonians. Dr Bri is obviously very busy in the States (check out Bri's Soapbox) but i suspect he is still keeping abreast of things this side of the pond. Government quiet on the repealing of the Hunting Act - I'm suspicious!!

posted 657 days ago Country_Gran:

@ Christopher Jardine. Re: FB - Sorry if my post seemed patronising; it wasn't my intention - I agree with all your comments and I really, REALLY miss Save Me on FB. This website has al lot more intelligent comment though. Best wishes

posted 657 days ago Mrs Jayne Matthews:

I have sent an email to my MP Sajid Javid (Bromsgrove, Worcestershire) telling him what I think and enclosing a link to 'Fox Hunting Graphic' video on youtube.

posted 657 days ago Chris_Jardine:

@Wende Anne Maunder: Yes I fully understand the reasons why the FB page had to be closed as regards misrepresenting Brian. I was more setting up Facebook as an example of how this 'secure' forum could follow, and wasn't really advocating we return back there. I am sure when Brian returns from the US he will look into expanding the message board. Remember it is now moderated so inappropriate comments that could misrepresent Brian can be held back from posting. But I feel it is important to keep the momentum rolling on the discussion of several different topics, such as the impending vote to repeal the Hunting Act, badger cull in England, the 'truth' about foxes etc. There's a lot to talk about and we don't want to lose our great following of supporters. That's probably enough on the subject until we see what develops I think.

posted 658 days ago Country_Gran:

@ Heather G: Bullfighting: Thanks for your thoughtful and intelligent comment. Nothing's ever perfect is it? @ Christopher Jardine and Donna Hughes: I support you in your comments about FB and it would be good to have more threads. The main problem is that the media is always watching for inappropriate comments and some contributors can't seem to resist biting back at the trolls. This is a big risk for Brian; we know his motives are altruistic but it's all too easy for him to be misrepresented and if stupid comments appear on a forum fronted by him, he is in danger from the charge that he endorses them. All the same I really DO miss the camaraderie of FB.

posted 658 days ago Nell Curran:

How do you get to see all of the archive notes please? I have just received one of the 'cloned' letters from my MP and would like to read all of Dr Bri's comments on cloned letters. I'm only seeing half and there appears to be no facilities for scrolling down.

posted 658 days ago Adi Hughes:

Absolutely delighted about bullfighting being banned in catalonian Spain, if they can ban something so traditional to their culture then why cant our politicians act the same with fox hunting?

posted 658 days ago Heather G.:

Dana - There is such a strange irony in bullfighting. Being selected as young male calf who will go on to participate in a bullfight is a bit like winning a cow lottery. The death is short and ugly, but the life is long and good. The goal is to produce a strong, healthy, beautiful animal who will be a most worthy 'opponent' for the 'spectacle', which means an extended natural life of freedom and exceptional nutrition and abundant exercise. They are raised like wild animals really. Rarely, they will even be given a reprive from death if it is judged that they have exhibited exceptional 'bravery' and given a memorable 'performance'. Part of the transaction then with the crowd then is one that invites respect and admiration for the animal, though that must be illusory really. Most are simply dragged off to the butcher shop at the end. What will replace them in the butcher shop now in Catalonia? Cows that have lived a much shorter, constrained and brutish life, designed only to produce maximum meat for man with regard for nothing else. It is still a huge victory though for the idea, for the principle, that society is evolving away from openly and brutally discarding the life of an animal in this kind of grand spectacle in front of thousands of people. The challenge is to convince people who are likely to consume meat for some time to come that the ethos of bull raising is worth transferring to the lives of all livestock. That there is inherent moral and practical worth in giving animals a decent life that keeps their bodies strong and natural, and that that is worth paying for.

posted 659 days ago Dana Kubick:

Lovely news that bull fighting has been made illegal in Catalonia. Other parts of Spain have animal welfare groups trying to make it illegal, but don't have the same political support found in Barcelona, although they continue to try. Another starfish thrown back into the sea! So pleased to see you, Bri in the New York Times--it sounds as if your book tour is going brilliantly. Many congratulations!

posted 659 days ago Brien Comerford:

Be creative fellow commentors. Brian May wants all creatures to be treated humanely. He's written about liberating mice from research labs and he's advocated the humane treatment of slugs. Brian respects all creatures great and small from whales to slugs.

posted 660 days ago Alison Cooper:

Can you please all check out the news feed, its been there a while now. Culling in England is a massive no no. Dont just check the forum, the news needs reading also. xxx

posted 660 days ago Chris_Jardine:

Also how about a general topic. Anything goes here. We set the agenda. We discuss animal topics and depending on what is discussed, you launch a suitable new thread for it to be discussed in. The other option is for you to make it possible for us to open new threads, as can be done in other online forums such as on Facebook. I'm just getting the feeling that this forum is very restrictive. We need to open it up. We have a lot to contribute and people are holding back because they don't want to go 'off topic'. Facebook was better because it was more open and media adaptable. You can post pics, videos and links etc. That's why there isn't so much stuff being posted here. I'm trying to help Bri, I'm trying to be honest. We actually didn't mind the Trolls too much, they were our little 'sport'!!!! There were those that had to be blocked and we did that, but you can lock it down tight so that only registered members can post I believe. We are missing the freedom that Facebook offered. 500,000,000 users can not be wrong. Can you or Jen comment on this please, we really need your feedback.

posted 660 days ago Chris_Jardine:

Brian, this forum is great, but can we have a few threads for general discussion and other topics. I released a fox today, and I want to tell the story. This is not the right thread to do that. It is a great success story. How about: Fox stories Badger stories Suggestions to help the Save-Me campaign I've just gota tell you this Positive stories about helping wildlife and successful outcomes.

posted 660 days ago Heather G.:

This is very good. In combination with the greatly reduced bovine TB rates in the first quarter of 2010 it allows everyone to step back, take a breath and reassess. It also illustrates a point that has been made at Save Me before - the real answer must be found in the prevention of the disease in cattle directly via vaccination. As it stands this report could still be legitimately used to support badger culling in specific circumstances if it can be demonstrated that the costs can be minimized or the impact maximized because of some unique set of features of the area. Looking forward, barring an oral vaccine being ready for testing, we've already seen that fiscal concerns can and will affect badger vaccination trials which have similar cost pitfalls to culls given the need to trap a large number of animals and the need for the program to be ongoing. This is particularly true if there is another natural reservoir of TB in the wild to which future unvaccinated badgers are vulnerable. Ha ha. Future badgers. That made me smile. :) So, onward and upward with work on a cattle vaccine!

posted 660 days ago Brien Comerford:

Look at all the healthy rock stars who are vegetarian and going strong. Paul McCartney, the Seekers Judith Durham, Annie Haslam, Steve Howe, Geezer Butler, Chrissie Hynde, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Boston's Tom Scholz, Morrissey, Kraftwerk's Ralf Hutter and our man Doctor Bri who consumes very little meat. After we save the badgers let's liberate the cows, the lambs, the pigs, the chickens, the turkeys, the ducks, the rabbits and the fishies. Allow our fellow creatures to live in peace.

posted 660 days ago roger goddard:

It does look increasingly like we hold the scientific and moral high ground on this one guys!!!

posted 661 days ago Adina Ispas:

This is... good news! Cautiously so, still. It seems that the way to go is wave "cost-effectiveness" about, when the real "cost" is still hidden. I guess we should take what we can get... and look at it like a many-step process. But what is horrifying to me is, they were planning to go ahead regardless of evidence, and now all these new reports sound like, "well yes of course, ahem, *cough*". "In the absence of other practicable culling methods likely to yield greater benefits..." - shudder! Let's hope no-one invents a "practicable [i.e. CHEAP] culling method" for a long time now... and we all awaken in the meantime. I remember one of my very first lessons in the English language... there was some text about the 1980s "Famine in Africa". It wasn't mentioned, however, that one of the contributing factors to that, was our excessively meat-based diet.

posted 661 days ago Janice Robertson:

Thank you so much for updating us Brian. This all sounds very encouraging and hopeful for badgers. Hope you're having fun on your tour. xxx

posted 661 days ago Alison Cooper:

Brian I cant believe that Jim Paice,,,please post it on facebook. I have but nobody will take notice of me. God its so frustrating. xx

posted 661 days ago JillinLA:

this is wonderful news Bri.....the ends do not justify the means regarding the cull it seems...I'm becoming more hopeful each time I read here! Belated Happy Birthday too and the tour sounds like it's a great success...you are much loved here in the US

posted 661 days ago Lynn Dunn:

It is good to hear that the government sounds less likely to pursue culling in the future. Let's hope, for the sake of the badgers (and all other animals) that this is true. Thanks, Brian, for taking the time to update us, even in the midst of your tour. By the way, any chance of you going to Portland, Oregon, or Seattle, Washington????

posted 661 days ago Chris_Jardine:

Thanks for this promising news Brian, at a time when the government is looking at ways to save money it doesn't look like they will go down this route of a cull programme if they can't get the results they are looking for. brilliant!!! I hope your US tour is going well!!!

posted 661 days ago Brien Comerford:

A badger cull and/or the resumption of fox hunting will destroy the UK's reputation as a renowned animal loving nation.

posted 661 days ago Country_Gran:

Thank the universe for you and The Badger Trust. Hope the tour is going well - don't exhaust yourself although I suspect that you always give 110% to all that you do. Lovely to find you on FB - I do miss it! Big hug

posted 662 days ago Lynn Harris:

In light of the empirical data, I imagine Government didn't like the prospect of being a stupid bunch of jerks with egg on their faces- oh wait- they do that pretty often, don't they....

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